Hello
In this thread, we will be brainstorming ideas about how to potentially find LOL SUPERMAN.
I created such a thread over at our deleted subreddit, I still remember the ways and ideas I suggested so let me reiterate them:
- non-english video hosting websites (either still working, or defunct like MyVideo - which was a very popular YT alternative in Germany)
- Other web archiving websites than the WayBack Machine
- in the form of a screamer or jumpscare
- reaction videos (like how the Super Mario 64 big star secret screamer was partially found)
- image search through crawlers other than Google or Bing (like e.g. Yandex, which has its own crawler)
- porn websites (some porn websites like Heavy-R also have straight-up gore on them, so these kind of porn websites would be a starting point)
- music search (some people said that there was some chanting in Arabic in the background, so if one can identify and find the chanting, then it’ll be good)
- watermarks (various accounts of various watermarks, like the “floating Cyrylic watermark” which the user who saw it on KIK in 2013 told me)
- compilation videos (I can imagine that LOL SUPERMAN itself was spliced into smaller segments and then the fragments were put into compilation videos)
One must also not exclude the possibility, that e.g. colors were inverted or slightly changed in some versions of the LOL SUPERMAN video (kind of like how some people do it with the Ronnie McNutt video nowadays, they invert colors or change them so heavily that it actually does stay up on YouTube and won’t get deleted)
Nice post, also some torrent/pirating sites may contain some 9/11 media too.
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A lot of good points ! I would add to search the video by content and not title (for example type “9/11 jumpers” instead of “LOL SUPERMAN”)
I’m actually trying to find it in an old school method : Contacting people who might have it. I also do this for Skylight and the graphic lobby footage. I do not mention any known title, so that people I contacted search by content.
I really think that if we find LOL SUPERMAN, it has to be on non-US servers.
Please suggest possible non-english video hosting websites. I found this one from Georgia (the country, not state): myvideo.ge
There are some 9/11 videos, we should check them. I found this website by accident, because I was looking up the (now defunct) myvideo.de website. Funny how it has the same name.
About using other search terms: Don’t forget that “11 September”, “11. September” etc. are also valid search terms (especially in countries outside of the US)
PS: aparat.com from Iran is also another non-english video hosting website worth checking out (some of the 9/11 videos there have a watermark to other Iranian websites)
PPS: cda.pl is a popular Polish YT alternative (active since 2003), also worth checking out. As I said, list as many non-english (or at least non-US-server-based) video hosting websites and let’s all check them out
It’s not going to be where you expect. It will not be popular videos with lots of views, or else it would not be lost media. So this excludes 99% of 9/11 videos already.
If it does exist, it’s edited into halo 2 game footage from the early 2000s on YouTube or Daily Motion as a prank, but with the colors changed and metal music playing instead of the Plaza Musak. It would be unrecognizable enough to avoid automated deletion by algorithms or flagged. The video would have few or no views.
It’s not going to be where you expect. It will not be popular videos with lots of views, or else it would not be lost media. So this excludes 99% of 9/11 videos already.
If it does exist, it’s likely edited into computer game footage, such as Halo 2, from the early 2000s on YouTube or Daily Motion as a prank, but with the colors changed and metal music playing instead of the Plaza Musak. It would be unrecognizable enough to avoid automated deletion by algorithms or flagged. The video would have few or no views. The color scheme would look all funny.
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It's not going to be where you expect. It will not be popular videos with lots of views, or else it would not be lost media. So this excludes 99% of 9/11 videos already.
If it does exist, it's edited into halo 2 game footage from the early 2000s on YouTube or Daily Motion as a prank, but with the colors changed and metal music playing instead of the Plaza Musak. It would be unrecognizable enough to avoid automated deletion by algorithms or flagged. The video would have few or no views.
It's not going to be where you expect. It will not be popular videos with lots of views, or else it would not be lost media. So this excludes 99% of 9/11 videos already.
If it does exist, it's likely edited into computer game footage, such as Halo 2, from the early 2000s on YouTube or Daily Motion as a prank, but with the colors changed and metal music playing instead of the Plaza Musak. It would be unrecognizable enough to avoid automated deletion by algorithms or flagged. The video would have few or no views. The color scheme would look all funny.
I can very well imagine that LOL SUPERMAN can have a couple of thousand of views (like let’s say 5.000) on some Georgian or Iranian video website, and still got unnoticed (due to Georgians or Iranians being isolated from the English internet either due to censorship or language barriers - or due to the fact, that those websites are simply not popular anymore, although still on-line, so there aren’t that many visitors anymore to check whether LSM is on that website). So it’s not that unthinkable that it simply got unnoticed in those communities. The reason why I am pointing out non-english video websites is not only that, but also the fact that if they are based on non-US servers, then the FBI could not force them to put that down (we know thanks to an e-mail to the FBI that this video does indeed exist).
Halo 2 Game Screamer is a good thing to look out for, also I like the idea of looking out for videos with few or no views which are around 18 years old now.
Another idea I had where we could find LSM: GIFs. Several gore incidents (like, again, the Ronnie McNutt video) can be found in the form of a GIF (sent on e.g. Discord by some idiot trolls). So maybe it got lost as a video, but not as a GIF (wasn’t there a user testimony who said that he saw it in the form of a GIF on Encyclopedia Dramatica?)
US government already shut down an Iranian website (click here for more infos). I don’t know if they did it in 2006 though, but nothing impossible I guess.
It’s not what I concluded. If your source is the shared answer from an FOIA request, then it’s not what they wrote.
The person who made the request asked for plaza footages. FBI answered they can’t release these videos because they are used for a future trial.
They do have plaza footages, but they never confirmed to have a video shot nearby WTC 6 showing two people hitting the ground.
Ok, my bad.
But there is a chance that LSM is still on some foreign website. The less popular (especially now in the age of social media) the better. So as I said, there is a possibility that we can find LSM
What were social media websites or forums before Facebook? I only know of MySpace. Maybe we could find something there (if needed, through a WayBack Machine)?
Morpheus was a major peer to peer file sharing service, launched in 2001 and shut down in 2008. i recall reading that people used this to share lol superman.Ă‚ Another is usenet. Aol chat groups is another.
Let’s make a list of (functioning or defunct) gore websites where it could’ve been posted. Especially non-English gore websites, since there are accounts that LSM was seen on a Russian or Polish gore website back in the days.
As far as I know, the only potential and interesting candidates are Heaven666 and Cabuloso (Brazillian gore website). Any other suggestions (especially non-english, like Russian or Polish)? There is no “List of gore websites” article on the internet unfortunately, so we have to brainstorm here a bit
Interesting fact is that LSM was reported to be in a compilation of 9/11 jumpers falling which included both LSM and a different video known as jumper v19
I looked into Encyclopedia Dramatica from another user. It seemed to talk about (despite being a really troll-ish website) a compilation called “fitna”. It seemed genuine, and it’s also likely someone with serious issues could scrub through the compilation enough to actually type out what was included just to log it to E.D.
This is also the second time a compilation has been mentioned now, as far as I know. Someone may want to look into “fitna”.
Whoever wrote up the entire page for “fitna” might’ve just had this info all along and “fitna” is probably where the actual LSM clip leaked from. It fits everything that’s been described as “chanting”, had “weird music” and focuses on “9/11 Jumpers/Planes Hitting Towers/Phone Calls”. However likely that this “fitna” compilation, I hope that this actually leads somewhere, where trolls inadvertently helped and also, had this info all along about the real, or supposed, compilation everyone seemed to be remembering/misremembering.
A user on Reddit told me that he saw something similar to LOL Superman (see “jumper v19” thread here) probably on a gore website called “Deadhouse” in 2018. It was titled “JUMPscare”
Album covers could be a way to find LSM.
Lot’s of Goregrind amateur projects create album covers from gore pics taken from the internet + adding their logo. So it’s not unreasonable to think that some band might’ve used the aftermath of LSM as their album cover in the mid to late 2000s